Part of Rogan's schtick is conspiracy theories. There's a lot of "just asking questions" style conversations where he tries to build up this idea that the "officially approved" narrative has a lot of holes, which he often uses to insert an alternate opinion that isn't subject to the same scrutiny.
His anti-vaccine content is a perfect example: He invites actual experts on his show, but then interrupts them and brings up an anecdote about a "guy I know" who had some vague symptoms after getting the vaccine.
The listener is then supposed to believe that the pro-vaccine expert is uninformed and simply parroting the official narrative, whereas Joe Rogan is the smart one who sees the big picture and can "tell it like it is". In this case, Joe Rogan sees that Vitamin D and a healthy diet is all the protection you need from COVID and that the vaccine should be avoided.
But it's often nonsense. Rogan's vaccine opinions are not just unvetted, they're built from the ground up on a foundation of flimsy anecdotes and conspiracy theories with a complete disregard for the science.
He plays the "both sides" card to build up the anecdotes and conspiracy theories while tearing down the well-researched science in order to create an illusion of presenting both sides fairly. But to get there, he has to go out of his way to downplay the most robust information while exaggerating the least trustworthy.
It's not about having different opinions. It's about misrepresenting the robustness of each.
People don’t think statistically. He’s asking questions about covid and how anecdotes relate like normal people. You state he’s a conspiracy theorist but the result of him being cured of covid in a few days isn’t evidence enough for you that bis bro science isn’t wrong? You can argue theory all day but he lives the way he preaches, the reality of his actions isn’t enough?
Too bad everyone else living the way they did who died of Covid didn’t live Joe Rogan’s reality and ended up a statistic instead.
I don’t even know what you’re trying to get at here. He can’t be judged because he seems to be consistent in his actions? That doesn’t make them inherently valid.
His recovery method give him credibility, unless you think most unvaccinated people recover in 3 days and nothing he did helped his recovery. Mainstream news say nothing he used including ivermectin works while anyone with a brain will look at the results of his recovery and say the mainstream news has no relevance, its like seeing 1+5=6 then some overpaid group of talking heads in makeup and dressed to present random factoids they don't care about or have any interest in are paid to say its not right, and they state the math is wrong. They are deluded if they think they have any credibility left vs real results. Why are the people denying it valid by that standard?
I'd like to believe that "anyone with a brain" won't take one anecdote as gospel and base everything on it and throw out all the other data.
Even if Ivermectin is some Covid miracle treatment (It isn't), Joe Rogan's experience isn't typical or expected and it doesn't mean that pumping Vitamin D and Ivermectin will yield similar results for you or anyone else. Additionally, the Ivermectin narrative (I'll leave the question of if it has any benefit open for the sake of argument) is one that positions it as an alternative for vaccinations which is inherently dangerous.
Also we have actual treatments (Remdesivir, Monoclonal antibodies) that have documented clinical results for active infections, we don't need to gamble on bullshit.
To add one other thing, because I think we can get on the same page about this probably: Just because someone says something and they're in authority/credentialled doesn't mean you should believe them unconditionally. It is important to have a healthy skepticism of information, regardless of its source. But the outright rejection of any "authoritative" information and latching on to whatever counter-narrative (read: misinformation) that happens to be popular is just as naive and stupid, but it seems like that's where we're at these days.
He used monoclonal antibodies too. I am not stating Ivermectin is all that helped (I am not sure its that useful personally, I think its probably his healthy lifestyle, steroids, the non missing nutrients and minerals that helped him as well as monoclonal antibodies he used), his "conspiracy theory" treatment had a 3 day recovery, yet hes dismissed because some talking heads online were paid to hes wrong about everything despite his quick recovery.
I think I would disagree about the last part. I think whatever the CDC announces I think the opposite since they have been wrong about everything. I am glad I ignored Faucci about masks at the beginning, or how it wasn't contagious or whatever else they told the public. Public trust is at an all time low, and they will need to earn my trust again, and so far there isn't any reason to believe these so called experts who are more intent on silencing disagreement than giving useful content. I have to read papers on my own since the talking heads and publicists often make misleading/false statements based on snipped quotes so I won't listen to any statements they make and just read papers on my own, authority exists, but its not some political talking head, its the scientists who publish their findings and have their papers turned into propaganda by people who unfortunately use them for political reasons.
Considering the quality of the information and presentation in the corporate press is so terrible, in comparison Rogan does a stellar job.
I disagree with your characterization, too. He has on people from all angles, including e.g, Dr. Sanjay Gupta from CNN, and he gives them a fair shake.
And yes, considering how "rare" vaccine adverse reactions are supposed to be, knowing multiple people who've experienced significant adverse reactions is quite unusual. Worth talking about even.
He has people from all angles, but most of them are right wingers. He brings on a Liberal every now and then and if they don’t hate the Democratic Party he hardly lets them talk and uses the typical right wing gish gallop tactic to pretend he’s owned them at the end of the podcast.
Rogan does a stellar job, lmao @ that. He does a stellar job pushing the current GOPs agenda. Because he’s able to have people like you arguing that isn’t what he’s doing.
Bullshit I listened to Joe religiously until 2018, like every day he put out a podcast. I realized around that time that he was beating a strawman about “crazy” democrats while promoting a trove of right wingers and disinformation. He couldn’t go an episode without bringing up how some tumbler person thinks there’s (n+1) genders and when he did bring on a “democrat” it was someone like Abby Martin or Tulsi Gabbard who hates the Democratic Party. With this, combined with the cringe ass “intellectual dark web” bs, it became increasingly obvious that Joe Rogan wasn’t some moderate but instead that he was pretending to be one while pushing a right wing narrative to his viewers under the guise of “just asking questions” and “how do I know I disagree until I talked to them?”
Your accusation is typical of Rogan fans who want to shutdown any criticism of his very obvious grifter status.
Yet you state he's got a "GOP agenda"? I don't believe you at all. Hes already contracted by Spotify, what you're spewing is more generic anti-Joe smearing that shows me that you never listened to him.
Yeah okay. Your Dave Chappelle comment proves you are arguing in bad faith.
You know I’m right and that he’s a right wing grifter posing as a moderate, that’s why you’re strawmanning about me not “actually have ever listened to him.” I saw through him just as I easily see through you, I’m just upset it took me four years of listening to him everyday before it became obvious.
You only talk about politics, its so boring that you don't have any real talking points aside from regurgitating some complaints someone else had that you don't think up for by youself, and trying poorly to pretend you ever listened to the show. You used a talking point someone else made and haven't listened to him ever, why is that worth lying about when you can't name any episodes and just named politicians someone else listed to justify the conclusion you are pushing?
I’ve named half a dozen episodes. Abi Martin, Tulsi Gabbard and Eric Weinstein are fake democrats he brought on to talk about how crazy the Democratic Party is. Jordan Peterson he brought on 4 times in 2017 alone to argue about the trans issue and “cultural Marxism” (he brought Ben Shapiro on to do the same.) I’m not doing this with you, you are arguing in bad faith because you know Joe has a right wing agenda. I don’t have to lie or copy what anyone else said because I listened to it first hand and for a time I (regretfully) actually fell for his “the democrats have gone crazy” routine. Joe Rogan painting Hilary Clinton as evil (he constantly brings up her paraphrasing Caesar at the death of Gadaffi) convinced me to vote for Johnson in the 2016 election. Like I said, I don’t know if he’s paid by a GOP/conservative organization but it’s awfully convenient for them that the largest podcast just happens to push an exact replica of their narrative.
People didn't like Hillary, its not a conspiracy. It cant be that pople don't like the mainstream Democrat politicians and he didn't see them as fitting guests, it must be a GOP conspiracy. He can't not agree with any non mainstream Democrat point without being part of a conspiracy of a GOP organization, but you ignore his love of UBI? What else did JP say during that podcast? You watched the whole thing and not just some clips someone used for an agenda didn't you?
Its interesting how little info you have aside from some political talking points and never have any in depth information about a podcast except for things that are found in talking points that are used in propaganda. You continue to demonstrate signs that you didn't listen it at all and only bring up talking points that are used in your statement like they were fed to you and you're just regurgitating them. Who are you trying to fool and for what reason?
It’s not just vaccines or conspiracy theories, the dude has been walking the conservative line and spreading their rhetoric since at least 2015. He brings on “democrats” who hate the Democratic Party (e.g. Tulsi Gabbard, the Weinstein brothers) and pretends supporting UBI means he isn’t a conservative. All the while constantly bringing on right wing guests (the ratio of right wingers to people like Bernie Sanders I at least 4:1.)
He has constantly pushed the idea that transgenderism is taking over and brought people like Jordan Peterson to argue against it. everything from making fun of the number of genders (something I only ever hear conservatives talk about) to the big bathroom discussion that was had in 2015.
I don’t know if he’s paid by some right wing organization to push this narrative, I don’t necessarily think so, but I don’t like how he is painted as some centrist or moderate when he very clearly has an agenda and it lies to the right of center.
I consider him to be centrist, but it's very subjective as there is no good definition of left/right that people generally agree on. To me, he's not a partisan, so he's a centrist- not that I particularly care one way or the other.
> He has constantly pushed the idea that transgenderism is taking over
You have no idea, haha. I used to laugh when "right wingers" complained about LGQBT stuff being shoved down their throat. And it was funny, until things made a big change a few years back, and then we had a child attending a "liberal" school district.
His anti-vaccine content is a perfect example: He invites actual experts on his show, but then interrupts them and brings up an anecdote about a "guy I know" who had some vague symptoms after getting the vaccine.
The listener is then supposed to believe that the pro-vaccine expert is uninformed and simply parroting the official narrative, whereas Joe Rogan is the smart one who sees the big picture and can "tell it like it is". In this case, Joe Rogan sees that Vitamin D and a healthy diet is all the protection you need from COVID and that the vaccine should be avoided.
But it's often nonsense. Rogan's vaccine opinions are not just unvetted, they're built from the ground up on a foundation of flimsy anecdotes and conspiracy theories with a complete disregard for the science.
He plays the "both sides" card to build up the anecdotes and conspiracy theories while tearing down the well-researched science in order to create an illusion of presenting both sides fairly. But to get there, he has to go out of his way to downplay the most robust information while exaggerating the least trustworthy.
It's not about having different opinions. It's about misrepresenting the robustness of each.